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London sucking up derivatives specialists

25 July 2007

Anonymous

Quants and structurers are paid packets in London and peanuts in Continental Europe. The Continent's being left with the monkeys as a result.

"The people with the best education go where they can get the best money," says Thierry Bossant, a consultant covering France and Switzerland with Huxley Associates in Amsterdam. "In Paris, they can earn €40k plus a small bonus. In London, they can earn £50k plus a big bonus, so they all want to go to London. It's not so much that France has got a shortage of people – more a shortage of good people."

Mike Connolly, a California-based recruiter at MRC, is in the business of transferring quants from the likes of Frankfurt and Milan into London. He says there are pockets of quant talent on the Continent, but the best people want to be in the City – despite being aware that the higher pay packages are liable to be eroded by London living costs.

And once they've quit the Continent, Connolly says it's hard to entice them home: "If someone wants to return to Milan from London, they know it will be on a much lower salary."

A structurer with three years' experience in Milan can expect to earn between €50k and €70k plus a 30-40% bonus, according to Connolly. Come to London and pay is likely to be double at least.

With all the best people in London, there are questions over whether Continental European investors really know what they're doing. JPMorgan recently agreed to buy back €280m of structured bonds it underwrote in Greece after local pension funds claimed they were duped. And earlier this month Italian-based Italease was forced to pay €610m to mostly Italian counterparties after it sold them complex derivative products which (surprise, surprise) lost money when interest rates rose.

France, for one, is trying to do something about the exodus. The Financial Times says finance minister Christine Lagarde is calling for "trendy trading floors" in the French capital.

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We overseas visitors are willing to spend/suffer a few years hear and then quickly take off and enjoy a 21st century lifestyle unlike the medieval offering in London.

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  • "trendy trading rooms" ahahahahahaha

    Al 25 Jul 2007

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  • You pay peanuts and you get monkeys. what a load of rubbish to have trendly trading floors. Come up europeans, don't act like arabs and cough up the dough. You can't make money in Banking if you arent't willing to spend money.


    But then thats why you are all backwards and London and NY dominate.

    ALAN 25 Jul 2007

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  • JP morgan shouldnt be employing a bunch of monkeys in greece or Italease the same in Italy. Anyway lessons for all to learn... if the bank loves money, then employees love money even more....

    MURPHY 25 Jul 2007

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  • The best pizza on the planet is off Piccadilly and there are rich snail pickings to be had in Green Park? Where else compares? + tax/logistics etc...

    French/Italian Pizza face 26 Jul 2007

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  • Half of our team in London are either Europeans or from Down Under. All very bright and well educated. Guess why did they come here? The answer is obvious. London rulez!

    Abaminog 26 Jul 2007

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  • Don't crow too much. London's time in the sun will be shortlived. Services, like manufacturing, will eventually drift eastward. And the megabanks, most of which are NOT British, will have no hesitation in clearing off to Shanghai or Hong Kong.

    Anonymous 27 Jul 2007

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  • to the naive person who thinks shanghai or hong kong is a competitor to London, you are stupid. Don't compare a third world country like china or Hong Kong to a democracy which have solid laws like the UK.

    Anonymous 27 Jul 2007

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  • To the naive person who thinks Shanghai and Hong Kong will stand still -- you are stupid. They are transition economies. They will keep upgrading their legal systems. Their lawmaking will be much stronger tomorrow than it is today. Make no mistake, this is the Asian Century. Supply and demand of financial services, like manufacturing, will steadily drift eastward over the next few decades. Wake up and smell the coffee.

    Anonymous 27 Jul 2007

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  • London is def peaking right now, continental europe is just toooo slow to adapt to change. No wonder the solution proposed is TRENDY TRADING FLOORS, lol

    Anonymous 27 Jul 2007

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  • For information, Hong Kong has had a GDP per capita higher than England for many years already. And its legal system is not too bad since it was put in place by the British during the colonial period.

    westerner from Hong Kong 28 Jul 2007

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