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Evil bonuses lead students astray

30 April 2008

Sarah Butcher

Mervyn King has weighed in on the bonus debate. The guvnor says big payouts have encouraged too many talented people to squander their lives in banking when they could have been doing something more constructive instead.

King made his comments to the Treasury Select Committee.

According to the Telegraph, King says young people look at City compensation packages and think they “dominate almost any other type of career ... It's not a very attractive situation that such a high proportion of our talented young people naturally look at the City and think it is the only place to work in. It shouldn't be. It should be one of the places, but not the only one.”

Talented yoof confirm Merv’s fears. One Cambridge student confesses that he might think of doing a medical PhD or going into the voluntary sector were it not for the fact that he’s leaving university with a £15k overdraft and needs the cash.

“During my gap year I worked at Pizza Hut and earned £200 pounds a week. As a summer intern in an investment bank I’ll be earning £700 pounds a week. There’s no comparison,” he says.

“Put bluntly, yes, people do go into investment banking for the money,” confirms Gordon Chesterman, head of the Cambridge University Careers Service. “But we do work hard to promote a wide variety of other careers.”

Bonuses may not need to be reformed to put students off – mass redundancies should be a more effective deterrent.

However, they don’t seem to have had an impact yet. Martin Birchall, director of High Fliers Research, a company which monitors top students’ career aspirations, says a record number of students want to go into investment banking this year: “Despite all the problems in the City, it's still as desirable as ever.”

Are you overpaid? Should bonuses be reformed? Have your say below.

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Most of my friends went into teaching, charity, consultancy, PR, journalism etc, turned off banking by the perception of long hours et al. 4 years on, I certainly made the right choice, my quality of life is by far superior to my peers. My children will go to £24k/yr boarding schools, theirs will be sent to state grammars, giving them a significant disadvantage for networking.

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  • Hi,

    I am a student thinking about applying to Cambridge to study Economics, I have carried out research in relation to city jobs, in particular, investment analysis roles. I don't believe bonuses are a bad thing for students as they motivate young academics in their studies and to become involved in extra cirricular activities, standing one in good stead for future life.

    I believe the purpose of life is to provide first and foremostly for the immediate circle of family, secondly to donate around 10% of income to good causes.

    One factor what people despise about city workers are Henry, why get a first class education?; find a wife?; and have kids?; just to come and taunt people about his salary on a careers website?; seems nuts to me when he has the perfect scenario.

    The comments about material objects are correct, people want status but why?

    Also totally un-related - BAN ALCOHOL!!!

    James 24 Aug 2008

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  • I once said to my dad that my goal is to make more money than him. My father - a MD in a BB firm, told me that in life there are a lot other meaningful things to do other than make a lot of money, while apart from achieve things, whats equally important is to be a good human being.

    stef 31 Jul 2008

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  • "The circumstances of lesser people mean absolutely nothing compared to my goals. Why on earth would I want to waste time helping other people when I can better myself? I'm not going to feel good about helping others when the opportunity cost is a 6-figure bonus (which will be 7 by the time I'm 28). There is no greater feeling than performing head and shoulders above your rivals / competition / peers."

    Henry, there's nothing wrong with being competitive, hardworking and ambitious, but you're beginning to sound EVIL.....

    christianald 28 Jul 2008

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  • Interesting comments all round.

    I have worked in IB for the last 6 years. All I would add is don't assume the last few crazy years are actually steady state.

    Put "Henry's" numbers in context - he worked in a hot (probably the hottest area) in the hottest time and was a Tier 1. What do you think the guys doing the dotcom IPOs were making?

    Where I think he has gone off the reservation is in thinking he will continue to get paid like this. Guys let me tell you, the last few years were an aberration. First year analysts do not generally make 150% base.

    Lastly to "Henry" - I think you are lying.

    On the basis of the numbers you provided, from 2004 - 2007, your girlfriend and yourself made a total of 674,000 - pre-tax. With tax of say 30% (more like 40% but maybe you have some student loans to offset) that would be c.475,000. With a 15% deposit (as you said), then 180,000 went on deposit. That leaves 295,000 for your mortgage.

    Hence for you to actually have paid that much off your mortgage, you would have needed to use every single penny of your joint earnings, paid no interest and gone on zero 5* holidays...

    ...pull the other one mate....

    Jay 18 Jul 2008

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  • Although Henry's comments seem pretty immature I still would like to have a lifestlye like that,

    I am 21 and have just graduated from Nottingham with a 2.1, the problem is that already at this young age, I have probably missed the boat having been unsuccessful at gaining an internship last year. I wish I could have a lifestyle in which I could easily provide for my family but now it's just got a lot harder...so it seems I have to apply for other jobs which are not IB

    R 10 Jul 2008

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  • Wow, how far up his own arse is Henry?! Send my kids to 24k/yr boarding schools. You probably won't ever have kids and even if you do it will probably be with some golddigger who will take all your money anyway plus you'll never see your kids and they won't respect you. You are a total joke. Why don't you use your money in a more useful way. Hell Warren Buffet is one of the richest guys in the world yet he lives off £50k a year and gives the rest away. You aren't even a fraction of the man's finger.

    Either that or you're just having a laugh.

    Anonymous 30 Jun 2008

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  • i don't exactly disagree with what you're saying, but if you're not interested in the "figures", then i might suggest that a trading (or indeed any City) career is not for you.

    this isn't for the weak or faint-hearted; like it or not, it's ALL about figures!

    spot n forward 18 Jun 2008

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  • I am a student interested in trading and I don't really care about the figures boasted by Henry. What annoys me more is the fact that he calls everybody else than him or his peers (if there are) total losers. He is actually depending everyday on dozens of "losers" to live while they don't really need him...

    This article shows that some great grads that could have been very useful in areas like medicine are attracted by the City and its bonuses. I don't blame them for choosing such a profitable track. But I do blame them if they criticize all the people that make less than them !

    Mark 18 Jun 2008

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  • For principal : don't worry, guys like Henry are a minority. People are quite cool and down to earth on average but of course there are some black sheets. What you have to understand is that people over-arrogant like hime were like that before they came to the City and they would have been the same notwithstanding the industry they work in.

    PrivateBanker 13 Jun 2008

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  • So Henry someone " taught me the skills to differentiate myself from peers and the ambition/drive to be a true success. The "losers" are the people my age earning less than £30k in a job they don't like after not making the most of the opportunities that came their way. Once again, my standard of life, happiness, satisfaction and contentment is easily superior to 99% of my peer group."

    Ahahahah I love that guy! He really sounds like those books which teach you "How to become successful in life in 10 lessons" or "From success to greatness in 2 weeks".

    A loser (aka a man who's not like Henry) 13 Jun 2008

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