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MBAs first to get dumped

15 July 2008

Sarah Butcher

The associate intakes of 2006 and 2007 are being decimated, according to both bankers and the recruiters who are left to pick up the pieces. So what does an MBA with big debts and only one year’s banking experience do? Private equity, boutiques, or strategy consulting seem to be the answer.

“Most of the people who’ve gone from the team are MBAs who joined at the junior associate level,” says a VP at one US bank. “Unfortunately, it just makes sense to get rid of them – they have a limited amount of banking experience and they’re relatively expensive. They’re getting hit particularly hard.”

Recruiters confirm that a disproportionate number of recent MBAs are coming through their doors. “We’re getting a lot of MBAs coming to us,” says Katherine Howe at recruitment firm KHG Partners. “They’re either last year’s banking intake, or the intake of summer 2006.”

Faced with the choice of dumping a recently hired MBA or an analyst who’s been nurtured at a bank for several years, Logan Naidu of recruiters The Cornell Partnership, says banks are typically going for the former option. “MBAs are as expensive as third-year analysts, but analysts have spent three years with the firm and know how a deal is put together.”

Business schools are a brake on the MBA purge, however. If too many of their alumni are ejected, banks get a bad reputation on campus at the major business schools, which they are anxious to avoid, says Howe: “If you hire a load of MBAs from a top business school and treat them all appallingly, that school might be less inclined to allow you to recruit on campus in the future.”

As a result, she says some banks are now letting go of high performing third-year analysts rather than reneging on offers made to MBAs who are joining this year.

MBAs who are dumped by banks do have other options. “The alternatives are boutiques, private equity, corporates, or strategy consulting, depending on experience and background,” says Naidu.

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  • MBA or no MBA, the arrogance is astounding from most of these postings. Find your happy place people and stop berating others.

    JC 18 Jul 2008

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  • This is pretty low level of debate.

    MBA or no MBA, someone good is someone good and "normally" gets to keep their job. As an MBA at an investment bank with 3 years experience Ive seen my classmates go whether or not they were an analyst or an MBA.

    The fact is there is no business and won't be until banks delever and rid themselves of their leverage loan pool. In terms of cutting people, most banks have reached a point now where good people are also being cut. Ive just accepted a job from a PE fund earning the same as I got in 07 (where I was A rated), but Im not gloating since I really enjoyed IB and whether they had an MBA or not some of the people I worked with were some of the brightest and most hard working people I've met.

    Why don't people just admit that there is a need for MBAs since the attrition rate in the industry is very high. Lets face it there is an equally polemic argument which says that only the really average analysts actually stay in an investment bank.

    IB MBA 18 Jul 2008

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  • Hilarious, "MBA ruler". Firstly, people like myself can move to a buy-side hedge/investment fund whenever we want, there's always opportunities, WITHOUT an MBA. I'm giving it another year here then I'd be able to start as a Portfolio Manager. And an MBA certainly doesn't give you credibility, it probably detracts credibility just as much from people who see MBA on a card /signature and think "chump".

    Henry 17 Jul 2008

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  • To the young big swinging d..ks: well, I have an MBA, I joined banking, industry pre-MBA, then after seeing what actually is corp finance (monkeys’ stuff), joined an investment fund, working less, earning more. Dealing with CEOs, MDs every days… enjoying screwing bankers that now do the crap stuff for me…

    As part time, thanks to what I have learnt at my MBA, the network, the credibility (yes, MBA give also credibility), I am opening my investment fund with a bunch of other MBAs….

    Let’s see who is earning more, dear big swinging d…ks, everyone knows what you guys actually do in banking…you are just like monkeys doing every day the same things (the cut-n-paste stuff for pitching etc). You don’t have the skills to manage a start up, that is proven. So pls go back to your excel spreadsheets preparing stuff for those like me.

    MBA ruler 17 Jul 2008

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  • Tips,
    I happen to be an MBA form one of the institution you have mentioned. I agree that you have broader prospects, however those who are trying to make into fin sector at this time because of MBA are losing as most employers prefer experienced staff considering there is no dearth of them.

    saurya_s 17 Jul 2008

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  • Oh! how disheartening to get such nonsensical statements from a bunch of 'immature grown ups" who claim to be in the financial sector. i thought the deliberations will be focussed on the MBA gaduates and the fact that they appears to be the ones facing the chop.
    I, for one am an MBA graduate and am proud to be one, whether from Oxford, Havard it doesn't really matter. For all i know, my scope is much broader than most of you who claim to have hands on experience in the financial sector. most importantly, without any doubt my opinion will be a bit more credible than some of you in the business forum.

    How do you like that, losers?

    Tips 17 Jul 2008

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  • MFin from Princeton is better than the MiF at LBS.

    What people don't realize, is that there are a much wider range of highly paid jobs outside the City and Wall Street, and that's what an MBA usually  can help you get. And yet, there are plenty opportunities in South Asia and Latam for instance, either in finance (Banking, PE, HF, VC) or SM.

    London opened its borders for MBAs, attracted many people with degrees, as getting VISA in other places was harder, now is "correcting" a little, no surprise, at the dot com Bubble it was WAY much worse...

    John Doe 16 Jul 2008

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  • An MBA or any other 'paper' qualification doesn't truly reflect ones ability.

    I've go no MBA, Masters or degree and run my own futures trading operation. No one in commerce/industry wanted to know when I was struggling - now they can go and.......

    John 16 Jul 2008

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  • "Don't you hate the fact that I can still choose to leave banking and go find an equally stimulating six figure job elsewhere? 

    You guys may have earned six figures, but that was because you were riding a bull market.."

    Err. I can leave tomorrow and be earning a healthy 6 figures in a range of other areas, with only a 3yr BA and no MBA. Frequently I get asked if I'd like to get involved in new initiatives which have secured 6-7 figures seed capital, I get approached by consultancies and economic / political organisations like thinktanks who say they could match what I make here, and a couple of times I've had the opportunity to be CFO of middle market orgs.

    And lol, I'll be making a healthy 6 figures during every year of this bear market. In my mid 20s, my basic salary alone is approaching 6 figures. With an MBA you start at Associate level, where I was age 23 - whilst your typical MBA entrant is 27-28 and scraping the low end of 6 figures. Hilarious.

    Henry 16 Jul 2008

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  • MSc or PhD maths/physics is the better way to go. The required finance and economics you can pick up in a few months, but the harder quantitative theory is what is important to have a firm grasp of.

    Joseph 16 Jul 2008

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