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Would you be better off with the Big Four?

10 July 2008

Sarah Butcher

As anyone with a passing relationship with reality knows, investment banks are in the process of unloading many of the staff they acquired over the past five years. Accountancy firms, however, are still a) hiring, and b) making money.

Last week, Deloitte said revenues will be up 11% this year, thanks to all the ‘downturn work’ (Financial Times). And analysis by Accountancy Age suggests that while investment banks’ corporate finance revenues are falling off a cliff, combined revenues at the Big Four have been growing at a rate of 13%.

Combine this with the fact that Grant Thornton is busy raising cash to help pay extra wages as it battles for market share (Accountancy Age), and it all looks rather promising.

But looks are deceiving. Accounting firms are doing a little hacking of their own – KPMG has sliced 90 corporate financiers, and the Big Four have a history of nastiness almost equal to banks’. KPMG (again) is said to have made 700 staff redundant by email in 2001 (FT).

Keith Dugdale, global head of recruitment at KPMG, says there are “small numbers being let go, but nothing on the scale that banks are experiencing.

“On the whole, we want to hang onto people,” he adds. “Corporate finance may be going down, but areas like corporate recovery and forensic are countercyclical and we’d rather redeploy people internally than let them go.”

Brendan Collins, head of HR at Mazars, which ranked 12th among UK accounting firms last year, says there are no plans for redundancies, but they’re not hiring any more corporate financiers. “We are still hiring for audit, recovery, business and tax, however,” he assures us.

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I am literally one of the most successful people my age in the City, and it hasn't been through spending every hour of the day working solidly.

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  • BIG 4 - yr1 £28k, yr2 £30k, yr3 £33k, yr4 £60k, yr5 £70k = £0.2m

    FRONT OFFICE IB - yr1 £80k, yr2 £150k, yr3 £200k, yr4 £275k, yr5 £350k = £1.05m.

    Hmm, that's a tough one!

    Henry 10 Jul 2008

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  • Or: BIG 4 - yr1 £28k, yr2 £30k, yr3 £33k, yr4 £60k, yr5 £70k = £0.2m

    FRONT OFFICE IB - yr1 £80k, yr2 £150k, yr3 whatever I can get from efinancialcareers.com for writing a weekly diary about being unemployed.

    - I think was the point of the article Henners.

    p.s. shouldn’t it have been “big 4” in small caps vs. “FRONT OFFICE IB” to emphasise your IB alpha maleness?

    secretary to the chief junior internal auditor 10 Jul 2008

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  • Yeah great Henry, unfortunately for the majority of new entrants and many recently released staff, the second line of employment you listed does not exist any more, at least for the next few years anyway.

    The fact is that for the people who don't have a job, most still won't have one for a fair while yet. This article is obviously written in a climate where just GETTING a job is the real challenge.

    Peter 11 Jul 2008

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  • it's a good shelter under current headwinds. stay at least 2 yrs b4 the mkt picks up again 2010 as hoped

    Ex-Big 4 11 Jul 2008

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  • Yeah totally Peter, if you're not good enough to get into IB, go to the Big 4. No matter if bull or bear market, this always happens. The Big 4 attracts a significantly inferior calibre to front office counterparts - typically with just ABB A-Levels and a degree from a generic red-brick and limited experience, compared to the top notch IB peers. If you're good, then no matter what the markets are like, £1m gross in your first 5 years is a totally achievable target. If you can't cut it, then the Big 4 may indeed be what you have to resort to instead.

    Henry 11 Jul 2008

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  • For someone as uber-successful as Henry here purports to be, it is interesting that he can find the time to comment on every article that appears on efinancial. Get a job Henry.

    Mint 11 Jul 2008

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  • I am writing every post from a top investment bank. Ask eFN's IT guys if you don't believe that. In my job, I have ample time to do what I want over the days whilst still making an enormous P&L. The attitudes of some people on this site, that working hard to get a string of pointless qualifications, or being chained to your desk on Excel 100 hours a week with no procrastination will lead to career success, are utterly dumbfounded, and if you actually make it into front office IB you'll see what I'm talking about. P&L and "working hard" are poorly correlated, and being likeable by the people that matters is more fundamental. I am literally one of the most successful people my age in the City, and it hasn't been through spending every hour of the day working solidly.

    Henry 11 Jul 2008

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  • In that case Henry, one would still have to wonder at the amount of time you spend lurking on efinancial. Undoubtedly "one of the most successful people your (sic) age in the City" would have no need or indeed, desire, to cruise a recruitment website 24/7, as the headhunters would have long since beat a proverbial path to your door. As I said Henry, get a job.

    Mint 11 Jul 2008

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  • Mint, I don't spend any time surfing the recruitment section of this site, I just have news.efinancialcareers.co.uk in my bookmarks. I like reading the articles here, and moreover am most entertained the comments following them, a bunch of failures suggesting stated salary/bonus numbers are mythical / exaggerated when they are most certainly not, self-deluded types not good enough for the front office with no hope in hell of success, and jealous losers.

    Henry 11 Jul 2008

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  • Henry lets just cut to the chase - how big is it?

    Henry the third (inch) 11 Jul 2008

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