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End of the road for quants

24 February 2009

Sarah Butcher

What’s a PhD with a bias towards quantitative finance to do? Banks have gone from screaming from the rooftops that they want quants, to whispering that they're only interested in a select handful of them. This leaves a lot of people on the sidelines.

Quant recruiters (several of whom seem to have disappeared from the face of the earth) all agree that it’s fresh PhDs who are suffering most. “In this market, banks only want people who already know the models they’re pricing and can do the job straight away,” says one.

“It’s pretty ropy at the junior end,” agrees Leon Devereux at NJF Search. “Most banks have completely shut up shop for those kinds of hires.”

Senior quants are also suffering, with most desk head positions already full. The few jobs that exist are apparently for mid-ranking quants (2-4 years’ experience) and at houses no one’s heard of.

“If you’ve heard of the firm, they’re not hiring,” says Dominic Connor of P&D Quantitative Recruitment. “Most big banks have got hiring freezes.”

There is some quant hiring action though. Connor say there’s need for quants to work on ‘model validation’ in risk teams, although with fewer models being built there’s less of a need for this than in the past.

Consultancy firms like KPMG are also said to be selectively hiring quants with a view to winning mandates from the Treasury. According to one consultant, the government will have a substantial need for quant skills sometime in the near future.

“They are quietly laying the foundations to plans to build a bad bank, probably out of RBS,” he says. “They’re going to need people to price and manage all this stuff.”

Failing that, one recruiters says there are a few jobs in hedge funds. “There’s a need for PhDs to work on systematic strategies and algorithmic trading models,” he says. “But funds want people experienced with dealing with noisy high frequency data sets, rather than the physicists and stochastic calculus experts previously sought after by banks.”

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people attack quants like this because they are afraid. How would anyone do anything without a quant - how can you come up with a price or risk manage for anything more exotic than spot without modeling it?

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  • Good riddance

    mungle 24 Feb 2009

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  • Burn in Hell.

    JoshSS 24 Feb 2009

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  • If any fresh PhD is looking for a position in finance now, I wouldn't hire him/her. Why would anyone with a brain gamble with his own life for a position when the whole banking system is collapsing?

    wh 24 Feb 2009

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  • Well, the market will pick up again

    Sola 24 Feb 2009

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  • The future is bleak for quants. A large share of investment bank profits in the recent years were "mark-to-model" profits. In structured credit, that profit is all but gone.

    The net result is that banks are going to shy away from mark-to-model businesses (viz structured credit, rates exotics, emerging markets exotics, etc). So quants there are in trouble.

    Similarly, banks are shying away from prop trading, where quants used to go too.

    The only bright spot is in systematic trading, where quants are basically software engineers and data analysts. Also, credit risk management is another focus, because some banks did not have an adequate infrastructure to manage counterparty risk and are trying to catch up. But that is a less "quanty" area, and compensation is much smaller.

    Banks now are going to focus on the most liquid stuff - FX, plain vanilla rates, vanilla equity derivatives, etc.

    currentQuant 24 Feb 2009

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  • Burn in Hull!

    Dimitry 24 Feb 2009

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  • Guys, I have come up with a new equity linked CDO which has little positive correlation to the underlying assets or even the equity. My PDEs are pretty accurate, it's fundamentally sound......wanna buy it?

    QuantJock 24 Feb 2009

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  • Bern is Hell!

    dd 24 Feb 2009

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  • Go copula yourself

    al 24 Feb 2009

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  • bankai

    roy 24 Feb 2009

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